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Hi James,
Many thanks for your response, as you noted I’m still banging the drum
for a return to the 19th century, but aside from general failure on
that particular cause I’m otherwise well, I hope you are also.
I’ve had to split my response, since the original post was
too long!
To take your points in turn;
The ability to
distinguish justice from injustice is largely separate from IQ.
On the whole I would largely agree with this, as a standalone
principle, and I am certainly not advocating the kind of testing that would
screen out any save legal graduates. However, the anecdotal evidence I was
indirectly responding to with this suggestion was of jurors for whom spoken
and written English presented a significant challenge, for whatever reason. In
the same way I would be completely unable to make a reasoned judgement on a
trial presented to me entirely in Spanish, it seems unreasonable we are
appointing juries without the necessary level of English to understand the
topics placed before them. Likewise a systemic lack of knowledge into the roles
played by the various components of a modern court system (for example the
knowledge that a jury is responsible for coming to a ‘reasonable’ decision
based on the evidence presented too it, or the presumption of innocence), seems
to increase the likelihood of a decision based on considerations other than
those laid down in our legal system.
The fraudster
(alleged) being tested for his ability to commit fraud
While fully acknowledging the intentions behind this
example, I would conjecture that we do in fact allow exactly this, should the
defense choose to present it as evidence. A defendant who could prove that for medical,
physical or practical reasons he was incapable of committing the alleged crime
would seem to have a significant defense.
People are people
I think this particular point may well be susceptible to
various open ended arguments about how one defines “society” “community” and in
particular “peer.” The particular point I was trying to convey here (quite
possibly rather poorly) was that juries are largely selected on a geographical
basis, which made sense historically because people in a particular
geographical location would share many of the things which are usually used to
define a community (language, history, social institutions etc). However, in
today’s world of mass population movement, the spread of information technology
and a near unprecedented level of information exchange, it is no longer
reasonable (in my opinion) to automatically equate geographical location with
common values and opinions.
Just to further this point I would suggest that as someone
who spends a lot of time online (whether it’s writing a blog, reading articles,
or gaming), and most of the rest of my time at work, the community I “live” in
is in many ways made up of people all over the world. A significant portion of
the colleagues I interact with on a daily basis live in India, China and
Malaysia, yet for all my ‘global’ community, a trial by my peers would be drawn
purely from the geographical district in which my internet connection happens
to reside.
My other consideration would be that given the vast diversity of cultures
throughout the globe and the vast array of topics on which those systems
fundamentally disagree, it seems that even if ‘people are people’ those people
come to fundamentally different conclusions on a wide range of topics based on
their education, social, spiritual and economic upbringing. Whether it’s the death
penalty, the role of women in society, the age at which an individual is
considered ‘adult’, or even what rights are ascribed to an individual, people
in communities all over the world have different norms. My request is to be
tried by a community of people who share, where possible, a set of
circumstances that in some way mirrors my own. I should also point out that I make no attempt
throughout this to ascribe any superiority to my views or moral opinions over anyone
else’s. As I noted in the article, while I may disagree with others calling themselves
my peers, I would not attempt to empathise (however much I may sympathise) with
people from radically different backgrounds and cultures.
Precedent,
Communities, and who qualifies
I acknowledge from a practical point this is a tricky one.
At heart I feel one of the key problems here is a changing over time in the
role of a jury (which I believe I mentioned). Once a jury had only the most
basic guidance from legal codes, and was largely left to come up with what they
felt was a “just” and “reasonable” decision. In the modern world the emphasis
is often to decide on another’s state of mind, or to draw inferences as to
motivations and actions for which there is no direct evidence. (In Ms Pryce’s
trial the sole issue that should have been concerning the jury is whether she
was placed in a situation such that she had no alternative but to accept what
Chris Huhne wanted, this has very little to do with “justice” and is more pop –psychology).
We already allow judges to rule on the basis of ‘common
sense’ and strict application of the law, in cases which do not carry jail
sentences. Perhaps a solution may be to change the jury’s duty from deciding
innocence or guilt to deciding sentencing? In this way it may be possible to
return a jury’s role to that of “reasonable justice” based on shared community
standards.
With regards to the issues of “who decides who your peers
are” and “how long before you become British” I’m going to split this out into
two responses.
Becoming British
The issue of immigration and the contribution of those not
born in this country is one I’ve deliberately tried to avoid because it tends
to rapidly descend into name calling and bigotry. That caveat given, I would
argue that the institutions and traditions are more important than ancestry or
geographical location. Becoming part of a community (in this case the
particular brand of romanticised nationalism I ascribed too) is not a function
of generations or family descendants, or even too which particular nation you
belong. The fundamental commonality is belief in a national community. I would
far sooner call the men and women I’ve had the honour of knowing from Spain,
Sweden, Poland, Russia and elsewhere who still believe in the idea of a
national identity part of my ‘community’ than a two hundredth generation native
of the British Isles who is contemptuous of any ideal beyond personal fame and
wealth.
Picking Peers
On this particular issue I am forced to acknowledge a
practical difficulty. In part because any argument presented could immediately
be twisted round to argue that habitual criminals should be tried by juries of
other habitual criminals. This seems to therefore be self-defeating.
The professional jury may, in some way, counter this. Create
a group of people who genuinely uphold the community standards against which
you must choose to be judged if you wish to be part of the British community.
Regardless of your race, religion, gender, age or anything else, if you are
willing to have your actions judged by an independent jury who still give value
to the notions of justice, duty, loyalty, dignity and genuine liberty then I
would be willing to stand alongside you.
Is it a problem?
This is a difficult one also, since, by law, jury deliberations
are secret. However, the Ministry of Justice (I cringe every-time I write that…
its only one step away from MiniPax), did commission a study into how juries deliberate. The full paper can be found here;
Without regurgitating large sections of this, it does have
some interesting conclusions. The main
thing I took away from it was that most juries struggle with legal direction
(only 30% of jurors understand the legal directions given to them), but on the
whole juries give relatively fair results (they don’t discriminate based on
ethnicity, age or gender). One thing
that is touted as a strength in this paper, but which concerns me personally, is
that juries are noticeably more effective where there is significant physical
evidence (for example drug possession). If juries can only reliably rule on
cases where there is overwhelming physical evidence they don’t seem to bring
much to the table. Cases involving ‘state of mind’ or what a ‘reasonable’
person would do have conviction rates between 30-40%, compared with 53% on
average, and 80% for the “strong evidence” crimes.
Purely from the anecdotal side of things, here a few examples;
R v Stephen Young on 2 counts of murder; a conviction was
overturned when it was discovered four jurors had tried to summon the ghost of
one of the victims using an Ouija board, and had been directed to vote guilty by
the spirits of the victims.
An Australian drugs trial was abandoned after 3 months after
it was found out that a number of the jurors where spending their time in court
doing Sudoku because the evidence being given bored them.
A juror on a grievous bodily harm trial was discharged after
asking for the defendant’s star sign and date of birth so he could use
astrology to determine guilt.
On a personal note (this was a friend of a friend, but its
someone I know by name if not an actual acquaintance), I know of at least one
juror who had his family threatened if he didn’t return a not guilty vote, and
another acquaintance served on a jury, and reported that they spend at significant
period of time between each case having to explain the concepts of innocence
and that the jury can’t deliver sentencing.
While I accept there is not a raft of evidence pointing to
juries being incompetent, it also seems very little research has been done into
this area. Maybe if more digging is done on this it would reveal that juries do
not, on the whole, convict or acquit on the basis of laws, and if
that is the case, and decisions are based on social norms and personal
perception, my concerns about peer-groups becoming all the more pressing.
Thanks again for your post, it’s stimulating to actually
have to formulate a response, and I hope you’re doing well!
Thanks
/Z
While I doubtless do not count as your peer by your definition, being contemptuous of nationalism and such 'imagined communities' to coin a phrase, I feel I should respond. Especially, as I may have pointed you in the direction of writing this.
ReplyDeleteWhile the point regarding juror's lack of legal knowledge complicating issues holds, this actually is not a condemnation of juries per se. The role of the judge in such a trial is to deal with the legal technicalities and to clarify these issues for the jury to allow them to judge the facts of the case - a point made by the judge of the trial in question. This would appear to imply that if a jury does not understand its role the issue is with the judge (assuming a basic level of intelligence and willingness on the part of the jury).
Also, further to 'professional juries' as a concept. A large reservation regarding this is simply put as professional complacence. Most people on a jury take the role exceptionally seriously because they recognise the significance of what they are doing - morons using Ouija boards are a clear minority. However, when determining someone's fate becomes a commonplace occurrence, complacency will set in.
There is also clearly a concern about restricting jurors too much. If you want to return to the medieval example where jurors would be, by our standards, truly local then you are beginning to risk been judged by people directly affected by the crime/incident or who know people who were etc. etc. which leads to a clear concern over bias and is not allowed for good reason in the current system.
Further concerns regarding issues such as lack of written/spoken English should also be irrelevant to the current system - judges are allowed to determine a potential juror as being incapable of carrying out their function and this is an accepted reason for a judge to remove a juror, and both the prosecution and defence have the right to object to a juror on these kind of grounds as well.
This is not a defence of the current system in anyway - I fully believe that our species needs to radically rethink and restructure our society from the ground up - however, I have some 'reasonable doubts' about the proposals you make, which is to say, doubts that are reasonable.
My first act in responding to this has to be to express a certain surprise that this particular issue has garned not just responses, but relatively indepth ones. Neither the issue at hand, nor my suggestions regarding it, are particularly radical (by the standards of other suggestions), yet this is the only post to motivate anyone (let alone multiple people) to respond.
ReplyDeleteAs with James' reply below, a response to each point in turn;
Role of the Judge in establishing legal knowledge and capability to act as a juror.
No disagreement that this is one of the roles of the judge, and the report from the MoJ does make specific recommendations on how to improve matters in this area. I would certainly be willing to shift ground on this if initial responses to the implementation of those recommendations shows a marked improvement in juror understanding. Similarly I don't dispute the point that judges can (and sometimes do) remove jurors due to concerns over their understanding. However- there doesn't seem to be a mechanic in the existing system for judges to reach that conclusion except by inference from the court room behaviour of an individual (or group) or the questions they raise. Compare this is to the American system where jurors are screened and questioned before a trial and both parties have a right to reject jurors. While I think this goes too far the other way I don't think it's immediately obvious that a middle ground path isn't preferable.
Just to add a further point on this I found reference to at least one complex fraud/anti-trust case in the US that nearly collapsed when the jury admitted they where struggling to understand the evidence. This was not intended as any slight against the abilities or intellect of the jury, but rather the incredible complexity of the issue at hand, which had taken both the federal tax authorities, and the financial regulators many months to attempt to unravel. This did, briefly, bring about an attempt to create legislation to allow for 'fraud qualified' juries, made up of financial professionals who were more likely to understand such cases. This isn't really intended as evidence one way or the other, but it does illustrate the point that in some cases the level of expertise required by a jury exceeds that which it is reasonable to expect from a random member of the population, and far in excess of what a judge can supply in the form of written or verbal directons.
Professional Complacence
I'd be interested in any evidence to support this is the case amongst the judicial population both in the UK, and other territories which do not use juries. If there is significant evidence that Judges themselves become complacent in trials where they are both deciding guilt and imposing sentencing, then I would accept this is a significant detractor for the idea of a professional jury. In the abscence of any such evidence I don't think its reasonable to assume such a failing as a first principle.
Overly Restricted Jurors
I believe I covered this off in my response to James (the point regarding habitual criminals being judged by each other).
Finally I think I should clarify that I had come across the reports of Mrs Pryce's trial before it was brought to my attention by anyone else, so the blame for this article rests solely with me.